Wednesday, March 27, 2013

The Roosh Post On Why Toronto Is The Worst City In North America To Meet Women

http://www.rooshv.com/15-reasons-why-toronto-is-the-worst-city-in-north-america-for-men

This post by Roosh has been receiving a lot of attention lately. In it he describes why Toronto is the worst city in North America to meet women, and he takes this position as someone who has travelled to many different countries and cities and seen what women are like there. This is just one more good reason why Toronto is not like every other city when it comes to meeting women. There is indeed something uniquely sinister about the male-female dynamic in Toronto, so much so that a disproportionate amount of negativity is cast upon the women of Toronto and their difficulty in meeting. Before anyone rushes to the defense of Toronto women they should ask themselves why someone who is not from Toronto, and who has travelled extensively, would single out Toronto as the worst place to meet women in this part of the world. If someone from the city complains about the women of the city he can easily be accused of having a "grass is greener" attitude. But why would a well-travelled stranger to the city just happen to choose Toronto as one of the worst places to meet women?

I personally don't need convincing on the state of things in Toronto since I've accumulated my share of experiences over the years and have more than enough personally gathered evidence to back it up (and have shared that in my posts). But someone who is new to the Toronto scene would do well to ask themselves why Toronto receives a disproportionate amount of negative press from guys who try to meet the women there.

I want to discuss some of the points that Roosh makes about Toronto and throw in my observations alongside.

Girls are more excited about getting late night food than having sex

For Toronto girls, having no strings sex is generally seen as an extremely low value activity with lots of negative stigma attached. They see it as a basic formula where, sex = he wins and I lose. The guy wins by getting laid and scoring points that way, and she loses by giving up something of great personal value. In Toronto, a female's personal value is strongly tied to holding out on her sexuality unless a strict price is paid; that price being committed relationships and/or expensive dates and dinners. Anything less is undervaluing yourself. Basically, Toronto women are hell bent on not undervaluing their sexuality and they overcompensate for that by throwing up ridiculous obstacles such as the knee-jerk rejection of men, and having overprotective mother hens cockblock like crazy in order to maintain the tight trade union that is the Toronto female sexual market. As a result, no strings casual sex is almost impossible to get since it is seen by Toronto women as the ultimate killer of self-worth (and reputation).

Girls cockblock more than anywhere else in the world

This is strongly related to maintaining a tight grip around the Toronto female sexual marketplace. It's like having bodyguards protect a high value sexual celebrity from being exploited by unworthy males. It's like a neurotic overprotective instinct which actually crosses over into police state monitoring of any woman who is at least moderately attractive. There is probably also some jealousy too as the protective cockblocker is very often a not so attractive female who herself doesn't need to be protected from unworthy males seeking to exploit her sexuality due to her lack of attractiveness. So to address this jealousy she takes it upon herself to prevent her more attractive friends from having sex as a way to feel better for her lack of "action". In other words, if she can't get laid neither can her more attractive friends.

Girls think they are cooler than they actually are

They certainly do, and if you listen closely to the substance of their conversation you find that it is usually pretty mediocre at best. They don't have very many unique opinions except those that most other people have. They also tend to think of themselves as a great catch which is merely a self-proclaimed viewpoint, bolstered by phony magazine articles and pompous media messages designed to inflate the female ego for no reason other than for being female.

Girls are obese

Many Toronto girls are obese and often end up with guys who are in better shape and better looking than them. The greatly inflated sexual market value of Toronto females creates this imbalance in sexual market forces where women feel more attractive than they actually are, which causes them to overshoot for guys who are above their level and conversely causes guys to have to settle for less than they deserve. And unlike men, women can hold out much longer for someone of a high enough calibre due to their lower sex drive and the constant media hammering of "you deserve the very best". As a result, women can hold out for the overshoot longer than guys can resist the undershoot (someone less attractive than themselves).

Girls don’t give eye contact

They avoid eye contact with men in public places at all costs, even when there is only a small chance a guy could interpret that as interest and chat them up as a result. As a rationalization, they often say that they avoid eye contact only with guys they don't like, but the problem is actually that they avoid eye contact with every guy unless that guy is part of a pre-approved, pre-screened, controlled environment from within their cliques. So there is a half truth here. Yes, they give eye contact to guys they like but only when that guy is in an environment that is pre-approved by their peers. Guys outside that environment are automatically deemed unfit and hence they are not "liked". The only time Toronto girls will initiate eye contact outside their cliques is if they are in a moving vehicle and there is zero chance that the guys noticing the eye contact can follow up and do anything about it. Only then will they indulge in the pointless fantasy of "what if".

Now, it might seem like you're hitting it off with a girl you met in a public place, such as a club or a mall or whatever, but she will inevitably flake on you simply because she met you in an environment that is not pre-approved by her peers.

The entrenched PUA culture is raising the egos of all women

Toronto women prove that PUA tactics and game are almost entirely bullshit. The difficulty in getting with Toronto women is generally due to their adversarial attitude towards meeting men, which no amount of PUA tactics or game can overcome. This proves that getting women is in large part due to how much (or how little) they naturally want to meet you, regardless of game. Hence, women need to be open to meeting men in general for anything to work, which proves that there is no magic bullet, other than having a base level of physical attractiveness, decent conversation skills, and just being a guy with his own unique views on the world. But PUA thinking takes the position that no matter what a girl does to interfere with meeting you, you can overcome it with the right game. But this reinforces and enables bad and inappropriate female behaviour, and it causes you to lose that sense of give-and-take where each party has to do their part to make the interaction work.

Interestingly, it is the extreme difficulty that men have in meeting Toronto women that breeds the large PUA culture in the city. The extreme difficulty in meeting women causes desperation in many men who then naturally get lured into the PUA indoctrination, which is just a radical coping mechanism and a type of extreme proactive measure which makes you feel like you can always turn things to your favor if you just do the right things. It's fake empowerment which just happens to stave off the feelings of helplessness many men feel.

If you make just one mistake with a Toronto girl, you will be rejected

Toronto women are generally hypersensitive to anything that is a "screw up" when it comes to men. You can be a creep, creepy, a nerd, a bitter loser who cannot get laid, sleazy, or any other of the negative stereotypes that exist about men. Due to these biases, the bar is low on what is considered a deal breaker, but the bar is high on what you have to do, as a man, to win her over. Toronto women are Frankenstein monsters of media garbage, magazine tripe, radical feminism, female entitlement, programmed man hatred, and politically correct ideology. Trying to avoid any "red flags" resulting from all this mental crap in their heads is next to impossible, and is not even worth trying in my view, since you yourself have to practically be a disingenuous asshole to pull it off. And even if you do, you don't have much of a prize for your efforts.


Lots of people will criticize posts like the one Roosh made, and this one too. But I can tell you that the one main thing which the criticizers lack is specifics. They talk in a general sense about how Toronto is great because of this and that, based on philosophical assumptions on how things should be. They give vague reasons why the women of Toronto are so great but fall short on specifics explaining why. This is where guys like Roosh and myself aren't lacking - it's in the specifics. We give specifics about our experiences and give conclusions based on that, and not on how we think things should be like and then work backwards from that to try to prove someone wrong. There are often ad hominem attacks and logical fallacies at work when people try to prove other people wrong. But one way to tease apart the more accurate statements from the less accurate is to distinguish between conclusions based on personal experience and conclusions based on generalities, preconceived viewpoints, and philosophically based non-specifics.

Some guys say they have no problems meeting women in the city and then call guys like Roosh a loser, but you will find that such guys are usually lacking in specifics, either because they are exaggerating or the specifics involve some variation on the usual "pay to play" theme which everyone knows is within every guys reach and is not a valid testament to how easy it is to meet women in the city.

65 comments:

Anonymous said...

If you want to get an idea of some of the real gems in Toronto, just watch a few episodes of the TV show Prince$$, all filmed there. None of these women are particularly attractive, but they seem to think they are and have basket case personalities. All they are good at is spending other peoples money. Truly revolting!

Anonymous said...

sorry i forgot the link:

http://www.slice.ca/Shows/Princess/default.aspx?Title_ID=251057

Throughfare said...

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Please read my article here:

http://tinyurl.com/bv3gral

John said...

^^^ yawn, as if I haven't heard that 100 times. Regardless of how you think things should be, the fact is that experiences ultimately count and success is not entirely within your control. This is not about giving up. It's about not wasting time and quitting what isn't working. Acting as if something is not true and lying to yourself may help to motivate you and push your limits but ultimately reality is unavoidable. Your tips are only good for helping introverted guys get out of their shell, but can really hurt guys who have moved beyond that and are able to relate to women normally without fear and inhibition holding them back. For those guys a dose of reality is what they need to hear, otherwise they can get into unhealthy self-blaming for something that is not their fault and which diverts attention away from the REAL problems that exist.

Last point, getting laid in Toronto (or any other place) is easy if you don't mind sex with obese and/or otherwise unattractive girls. If you don't mind going for girls much less attractive than you are then you will have a good sex life in the city. But it's implicit that the grievances talked about are with respect to the difficulty in getting women who have at least a minimal level of attractiveness.

pinetree said...

Another good and accurate analysis. I think you need to change your blog to: Why Toronto Women Suck. If Roosh got so many comments, so will your blog. It still amazes me why TO men are so stagnant and offer no resistence to TO women. It's like the dog who howls all night bc he is sitting on a nail, but it won't get off the nail.

Anonymous said...

Yeah I agree with pickup being a false sense of empowerment. You can very rarely ever turn things in your favor. It's not a skill, in fact meeting women is the most arbitrary and capricious thing I've ever dealt with.

These pua guys think they can make a strategy to beat the slot machine. Wake up guys, their is no strategy, you just pull the lever and go.

All you can really do is just lay your cards out on the table and hope that you're fortunate to meet a woman who will reciprocate your interests. It's mainly about meeting the right woman at the right time.

Now I know why guys always called it "getting lucky" because most of the time, luck is the primary reason anything happened with a woman.

Anonymous said...

John.

Please write more frequently, this is a fantastic blog and one of the only worthwhile dating blogs worth reading on the internet. Believe me, most guys my age feel EXACTLY like you, and anyone with a brain not clouded by testosterone and reptilian hindbrain "turf/city" rivalry can see that clubbing and dating is a rigged game.



For some background I'm 29, and I live in London, England. I'm the average guy, have a good job and good circle of friends, whatever that means.

It's funny how guys agree with Roosh but then criticise him as soon as he mentions their city. Roosh made a video called "London sucks" he was dead on with his criticism of London, UK - it made me laugh when he mentioned women who put on too much make-up and called them "clowns" because I was starting to think it was just me who noticed this. I don't think he's far wrong about Toronto, but it seems some guys feel the need to fight for the honour of the fair maidens of Toronto and London, and they are just another part of the problem.

It seems that with dating and interactions men have to do ALL the work AND accept all the liability (financial, emotional, and reputational) if things don't go to plan, which is 90 percent of the time.

The Toronto women you describe are "British Style" women i.e. Cold, Cliquey - and only talk to "approved" guys (unless you are rich, a DJ or a celebrity) In England women have a phrase here they say: "a random guy" which means a non-pre-approved guy. Heaven forbid, talking to a man you have not met before or even returning a smile on the Tube, even if you see each other travelling on the same train route almost every day for 3 years. That would be "weird", "creepy" and involve not staring at the celebrity magazine or I-Pad. Of course, women taking secret pictures of men on public transport and uploading them on the internet without permission..THATS's FINE..

http://tubecrush.net/

I don't know if you have been here before but English women in London are exactly the same as the Toronto women you describe. Again this has resulted in a large PUA culture, (which I, was sadly, part of) until I realised the PUA nonsense just gave women free reign to hurl abuse at me, which was worse than being ignored. I got laid more by being a "beta-loser nice guy" than with the PUA bull. What guys don't seem to understand is that if women find you average, PUA just makes you into a "try hard" average guy, which for most guys makes things worse. Apparently, you need to do 10,356 approaches before the systems work and always approach at 45.54 degrees, but that critical "approach angle" also depends on your relative position to Mystery's asshole and Neil Strauss' flaccid penis, otherwise it's creepy, but the good news is, it's all about calibration, i.e. follow the rules until they are contradicted, then we'll give you some new rules.

The most salient point you mentioned in your writings is that PUA's have the "it's always your fault" default mentality. Everything is always the MAN's fault. That reasoning sounds quite familiar doesn't? Where have we heard that logic before? PUA's are just modern day radical feminists, they play for the same team. PUA's accept rude behaviour from women, they hit on loud/fat chicks thus increasing their self esteem which then feeds back into fat/ugly chicks who have an inflated sense of self worth.

No group has done more to empower ugly chicks in the Western world than PUA's. PUA's are on the ground feminist activists, They are in all Western cities in every nightclub, working tirelessly, doing 30 approaches a day to ensure that average unattractive women think they are abnormally beautiful, devilishly brilliant and extraordinarily intelligent.

Joey

pinetree said...

Feminists are threatening organized militant protest on the Men's seminar this Thur April 4th -7pm at UFT - organized by CAFE. Please attend and support the event.

http://linchpin.ca/content/Anti-oppression/Towards-Militant-Feminist-Movement-Confronting-Men%E2%80%99s-Rights-Organi

"We need to move towards reactivating a radical, militant feminist movement that can contend, not just with the backwards misogynists of the men’s rights movement, but with the issues that continue to affect women everyday on their campuses, from systemic oppression in male-dominated fields to the high prevalence of sexual assaults, not by turning to the police or the University administration, but through a militant organized resistance."

Anonymous said...

http://aaronsleazy.blogspot.com/2012/11/roosh-spends-two-weeks-in-canada-cant.html

Aaron Sleazy has similar ideas than you.

I greatly appreciate all your writings.

What is your opinion in Aaron Sleazys post about Roosh failing in Toronto?

Anonymous said...

IMHO Aaron Sleazy is just another charlatan, he bashes PUA only to promote his own books and ideology, not simply because PUA is muddled logic.

Say NO to PUA but say Hi to my "no frills method" which is just a re-hash of another nutter PUA called Gunwitch .Twat.

TZ said...

I live in Toronto and was nodding yes as I read this. Zero eye contact. ZERO. I have met some women who so greatly overestimate their value that its laughable. 30- something, never been anywhere, no exercise, weak feminity, no ideas of their own, etc... thinking they are the SHIT.

It is hard to take the women here seriously. It is hard to not become jaded. Strive for detached bemusement is my goal.

Fake empowerment is the best description of PUA I've heard. Nails it completely.gives you the false sense of power while getting the same shit result.

Mikkel Petersen said...

I'm from Copenhagen..a similar hell-hole.

BringerOfTheTruth said...

I like the pua IDEA..meaning you have to say and do the right things to get in contact with women.
Lets face it, women are not going to approach YOU ever (at least not in Toronto or any western city).
But PUAS blindly approaching left and right makes me sick. They ruin the already ruined women even more.
Subtle pua tactic where you dont humiliate yourself and your gender should be possible.
Sadly, 90% of them are approaching robots who takes endless humiliation from females just to get one lousy bang here and there.
What fucking life is that ?
I would say that there is really not other options for Western men than to go to countries where the situation is better, because all is lost here.

Anonymous said...

Some of your guys are hopeless when it comes to game. Things like frame control, preselection, storytelling, and passing shit tests are largely what is takes to be successful with women. I know because I used to not use or know this.
That is why a guy who knows game will sleep with more women in a year than many of you will in your life. Think about it and get and clue, and then you can get some pussy.

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous April 4, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Let me ask you a question.

1) If a fat, hairy, masculine, sweaty woman walked up to you in a bar would you make it easy or hard for her to get you into bed?


Think about that, before you go on spurting your "game" nonsense.

2)If she started telling you about her Masters degree or the fact that she travelled to Europe?

What about if she demonstarated her chastity by telling you she worked as a Nun would that increase your sexual attraction to her? It should, evolutionary theory says men like chaste women and "attraction is not a choice"


3)If a beautiful woman walked up to you and showed interest and was friendly to you, would you start making fun of her? Negging her? Would you be accomodating or unacommodating to her showing interest in you?

If as you and your game cult leaders say that looks don't matter, why do women consistently say they would NEVER date a guy shorter than them? Ever considered that they are actually telling the truth and that they are VERY concerned about looks?


Joey (Calling out bull since 1983)

beta_plus said...

One of the things the no one ever wants to address about Toronto is the extreme disparity between the physical attractiveness of men and women there. Even if female obesity disappeared completely from TO, you would still be in a situation where the men were far more attractive than the women. Men are unusually tall there and good looking, while women leave a lot to be desired, especially if you are a "face" man.

Mikkel Petersen said...

Agreed anom, what I dont like is the "aproach bots"..clever puas who got it down to a science is something else though. That shit works.

Mikkel Petersen said...

"If a beautiful woman walked up to you and showed interest and was friendly to you.."
Ehm and where would that happen ? Toronto ?

Anonymous said...

Joey, men can improve their sexual lot by having social mastery. Most guys are in the normal range (looks, money, status, etc.) Women are more or less valued based on beauty and youth. That is the game.

Anonymous said...

great video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2KPeMcYsuc

Anonymous said...

International student.

I have visited a very nice bar in downtown Toronto (Queens west area)about a month ago, the place was very busy for a Thursday night with a live band playing. As I walked into the bar and approach to the bar counter I noticed a few girls looking at me as if they were showing some interest(screening)on me, so I order my beer and as I wait I look back at the girls who were in group of 2 or 3 of them and I have noticed at least one of them looking at me (there was EYE contact for sure).

As I decide to walk towards one of the girl I can see right away how she turns around so that by no chance we would be face to face for me to say a simple, "hi, how are you enjoying the nigh?". and this event repeats over and over like in an infinite loop.

This is simply the effect mentioned above, environment issue or call it the "random guy" as the English pal has mentioned it.

I am so sick of this city I can't wait to leave in the winter of 2015 as soon as I graduate from school.

I am 27 years old by the way.

Cheers!

Anonymous said...

Do a post on this video.

Anonymous said...

Darkness! Darkness everyone... Darkness is spreading!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBiR2rKU69U&feature=player_embedded

Anonymous said...

I am a Toronto woman and I seriously think most of you guys don't have a lot of experience. In the USA guys are different, they are not afraid to talk to you, they're not afraid to flirt...most of you don't even know what flirting *is*. And you don't know how to make conversation. Here's a hint: That "pretty eyes" crap is being used by every horndog in the city, so we know as soon as you say it (gen. 3-5 minutes into meeting us) that you're just trying to get laid. Try talking to a woman and getting to know her & you might have better success. Also: You have near ZERO chance of success with a stranger...read Schrodinger's Rapist to get more of a clue: http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/

Here's another few hints, boys...and I do mean *boys*, including those of you over sixty. Grow up. Grow a pair. Do what you say you're going to do and stop it with the "I'm so rich" crap, save it for the little girls who are still young enough to buy that "mature older man" crap. Indian guys: Don't try to stick your tongue down someone's throat on the first date, that's why no one white wants to date Indian guys. Act like a MAN and maybe you'll find yourselves a good WOMAN. ALL of you.

John said...

^^^ I can't speak for other guys but for myself I am 100% certain that your advice doesn't work. And I speak 100% from experience. Your "back to the drawing board" advice gets really old for anyone who has seen and tried it all. Success doesn't happen nearly as easily as you suggest. It might seem amazing how so many guys can miss the "obvious" when it comes to successfully meeting women, but in this case the "obvious truth" you suggest isn't the truth at all. Instead, the obvious reality here is that any woman in the city who is at least a bit attractive is almost always very hard to meet in a public setting, no matter what you say or do.

You might think you're pretty clever talking down to us the way you do, but all you're doing is blending into the background with every other fool who thinks they have the situation figured out and tries to shame us using the usual stock shaming tactics and usual fallacious arguments, ad nauseum.

Anonymous said...

On another subject I want to publicize the current campaign by Winners stores asking for donations to prevent violence against women. I ask all members to complain as I have done on winners Facebook page as this is completely sexist.

Anonymous said...

Where did you get the idea that women in Toronto only make eye contact with a guy that's approved by people in their cliques. From your personal experiences?

Girls will look at a guy they like, no matter what. If a girls not looking at you she's not interested. If you know anything about body language, women make eye contact with a guy to show interest.

If you guys are going after hot chicks when they don't look at you and you're not hot stuff yourself, of course you get shot down.

John said...

^^^ Oops sorry, my mistake. They occasionally do look at guys they find attractive outside their cliques. They do this: 1) In a moving vehicle or when he doesn't notice - which prevents him from following up on it, and 2) If he can follow up on it they'll almost certainly reject or flake on him anyway because he's not part of her clique.

Dave said...

> I am a Toronto woman and I seriously think most of you guys don't have a lot of experience. In the USA guys are different, they are not afraid to talk to you, they're not afraid to flirt...most of you don't even know what flirting *is*. And you don't know how to make conversation. Here's a hint: That "pretty eyes" crap is being used by every horndog in the city, so we know as soon as you say it (gen. 3-5 minutes into meeting us) that you're just trying to get laid. Try talking to a woman and getting to know her & you might have better success. Also: You have near ZERO chance of success with a stranger...read Schrodinger's Rapist to get more of a clue: http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/

>Here's another few hints, boys...and I do mean *boys*, including those of you over sixty. Grow up. Grow a pair. Do what you say you're going to do and stop it with the "I'm so rich" crap, save it for the little girls who are still young enough to buy that "mature older man" crap. Indian guys: Don't try to stick your tongue down someone's throat on the first date, that's why no one white wants to date Indian guys. Act like a MAN and maybe you'll find yourselves a good WOMAN. ALL of you.

Wow you sound like a complete asshole. You just demonstrated every single negative quality that has been written about on this site regarding Toronto women.

Dave said...

> Act like a MAN and maybe you'll find yourselves a good WOMAN. ALL of you.

Go fuck yourself. You display not one iota of femininity.

Dave said...

> Act like a MAN and maybe you'll find yourselves a good WOMAN. ALL of you.

You sound like a horrible fucking person and I feel sorry for anyone who has to deal with you. Seriously, what do you think you are contributing to this world by being such a raging asshole? This is what passes for a WOMAN nowadays? Jesus Fucking Christ...

Anonymous said...

Here is the deal, approach, approach and approach, if they don't like it, fuck it! Do it anyways... These T.O bitches need to be re-womanized ;)

Anonymous said...

Who is that bitch that just commented, she needs two cocks in her ass and two in her mouth to shut her up!

Anonymous said...

>>If as you and your game cult leaders say that looks don't matter, why do women consistently say they would NEVER date a guy shorter than them? Ever considered that they are actually telling the truth and that they are VERY concerned about looks?<<

I'm not into the game stuff but I do believe looks matter but only IN ADDITION to other things. I once read that many women WOULD date a bald man if he made 100k on top of average wage. And for another 100k he can even be shorter. In the end nothing works like fame and/or money no matter what you look like. Heck, if you are an infamous murderer in prison women will be to marry you.

I got residency in Colombia at the end of last year and will be moving there from London. As John has said - where PUA flourishes, it's a sure sign it's NOT the place you'll find a woman. Where I go in Colombia, PUA doesn't exist and it's hard to find a guy without a woman.

Anonymous said...

KATE HARDING'S RAPIST -

I doubt the woman who wrote that has been laid for donkeys years. In any case, most so called rapes are committed by known people, not strangers. So be careful, Kate Harding.

>>You want to say Hi to the cute girl on the subway. How will she react? Fortunately, I can tell you with some certainty, because she’s already sending messages to you. Looking out the window, reading a book, working on a computer, arms folded across chest, body away from you = do not disturb. So, y’know, don’t disturb her<<

Oh don't worry we don't. At least here in London. Women whine about not being approached. Well I aint gonna approach a woman who won't even look at me. Nor one who does. At least not here. In other places I have no problems.

Anonymous said...

>>Of course, women taking secret pictures of men on public transport and uploading them on the internet without permission..THATS's FINE..
http://tubecrush.net<<

Yes seems they haven't the guts to say anything to these men. So much for girl power.

Anonymous said...

Dearest John,
I have been reading your blog for quite a bit of time and mostly agree with it. Inspired by it and my personal experiences, which coincided with it at about 100%, I stopped going out, stopped trying to pick up women and started concentrating on myself (i.e. watching documentaries and working out on Saturday evening). Amazingly enough, now feel much better, although the chance of finding a potential mate is practically zero. However, there is one question that is bothering me. Now that Toronto is being so widely debated as one of the worst cities for single men in the world, can you testify, from personal experience, that there are places that are better? And how are they better?

Regards,
A.

Anonymous said...

>>can you testify, from personal experience, that there are places that are better? And how are they better?<<

I am not John, but from my experience and that of many many others, the places to avoid are Northern America and northern Europe.

happierabroad.com is very inspiring.

John said...

^^^ There are indeed places that are better, and I've been to them. For instance, Guelph and Barrie are two places where you would have a better chance of meeting someone and going the distance with them, and I can personally testify to that. I've briefly been to Montreal and can say that on the surface, at least, the women are friendlier. I've also read tons of personal accounts from guys who have travelled to other cities in other countries and say that it is better. I personally know and have talked to guys who have been to other cities, who say that it is better. I would love to travel more and see for myself, that way I can compare the differences in a more specific way. But regardless, my conclusion is that there is no way that women everywhere behave as they do in Toronto. I've seen, heard, and read too much, including interacting with women here who are from other countries and seeing how much better they are. I know one guy once who said he went to Cancun and hooked up with different girls, including American girls, but he found the Toronto girls there were stuck up, just like they are back home, so it's not as if just the act of being in a different country automatically makes women friendlier and more approachable. So yes, I have a lot of direct and indirect evidence that women are much better in many other places.

Anonymous said...

I would like to recommend EVERYONE here watches this three part youtube documentary on Misandry/Misogyny. It addresses many of the issues in this blog and women would do well to watch it too.

Anonymous said...

Three part documentary. Excellent observations about women.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2srzh-sgP_U

Anonymous said...

>>How will she react? Fortunately, I can tell you with some certainty, because she’s already sending messages to you. Looking out the window, reading a book, working on a computer, arms folded across chest, body away from you<<

Gee now I AM confused. According to one female's blog, those things are a sure sign a woman has the hots for you. Maybe if you women did ALL the asking and approaching, it would put you out of your misery and stop us pesky men harrassing you.

TheKingOfQueens said...

pua is useful if you think women are robot video games that you can only beat by using the correct entry code

Anonymous said...

^you dang straight, except their FALSE cheat codes that when a positive result is achieved its attributed to the cheat code rather than just the woman naturally liking you.

Anonymous said...

I met a woman from Burlington and she puts Toronto women to shame.

Your results will be better outside of Toronto. But you can still have success in the city, if you become an approach machine, and do it primarily during the day. Even if 90% of women ignore you, you only need a few to bite to achieve success.

Suck it up, do the work, show her how a man does it and you will reap the rewards.

Anonymous said...

as a 30 year old man from Toronto i can say there is some truth to roosh's blog, women do make it rather difficult for men to try meet them. As a result of this stringent attitude, the prostitution industry is thriving. Internet escorts are so cheap in Toronto, and a few different escorts on different occasions that were from Montreal, told me that they like working in Toronto because a lot of men they thought were really attractive. one escort also added that in Montreal there is no way the type of men that pay for sex in Toronto would be paying for sex.

John said...

^^^ This is useful information for the clowns that say that women are the same everywhere. The tight sexual trade union that women exert in Toronto and nearby cities is an anomaly and men need to raise their standards to reasonable levels for this to change. Every unattractive woman that is pursued by an attractive man just prolongs the problem. Stick together men. Putting a stuck up entitled woman in her place won't get you laid but it will get her to look at the next guy differently, and if enough men do this then the female herd mentality will shift and men will reap the benefits.

Anonymous said...

Also, Toronto women like to play head games like sadistic cats. Don't jump through their flaming bullshit hoops - walk away and spend your time on real women.

Anonymous said...

I left Toronto and now I am dating a beautiful girl who loves me and gives me the attention no toronto woman ever gave me. As a matter of fact, in order to date in Toronto the kind of beauty I am dating now over here I would have had to be the CEO of Telus or a big fucking shot, and all I would have gotten was her attention, not her respect, her love, her understanding, her tenderness. Nothing, those things dont exist for Toronto women.

Please men of Toronto, do NOT sell your dignity, leave that fucking city, you will be a lot happier elsewhere with a woman that will love and respect you for who you are.

I pity the women of Toronto, they waste their lives being angry, they waste their youth being angry at something they do not understand, then they grow old alone cos no man cant stand them.

Just leave the city and leave them to rot there with their other men-hating feminists, thats what they totally deserve.

Anonymous said...

What's you opinion of Aaron Sleazy?

Anonymous said...

I'm 45 and married to a women from a small town in BC. As a Gen X, trust me when I say that I've been in the trenches from the beginning. Feminism, affirmative action, pay-equity, girl-power, whatever, it's all bullshit. Now I get to work with a bunch of miserable, depressed Gen X women who were sold a bill of goods that never materialized (i.e., corner office, CEO).

I moved to Toronto after university in 1991 and had a good time. Met and slept with lots of women - but 9 times out of 10 - they weren't from the GTA. Portugal, Quebec, small towns in Ontario....none from the GTA, and things have only gotten worse. I recently moved back to Toronto from out West and holy shit things have gone down hill. A 20 something girl on the TTC commented the other day to a friend that she never looks people in the eye in Toronto. And what's with all the single 20 something chicks and their goddamn dogs? And what's with all the 40-50 year old divorced ladies in my building?

The happiest guy I know is a Russian pal of mine who lives in the GTA with his wife. She's from Russia too and of course was never indoctrinated into the feminist bullshit that has seeped into every nook and cranny of the West.

To today's 20 something guys, on behalf of X'er men, I apologize. Many of us unknowingly bought into this bullshit, when we should have acted to stop (or at least not accept it). Now things are much worse for both genders. Women are no longer feminine (and proudly so) and men are now opting out of marriage altogether (smartly so).

Anonymous said...

Yup! I am speaking the truth only here. Went on a euro tour with 50 people from all over the world, mostly English. I found out There were 4 Toronto girls going on the trip, it was almost a deal breaker for me and i didn't want to go. My sister made me promise that i wouldn't waste one second on them( she knows what they're like and is an outcast). I had the best time with my other Canuck buddy because were weren't playing there "approved rules". I watched there disgust and unapproved aura as random women were hitting on us in thé bars! As if we broke the strict English code of courting. They even asked us what those slutty girls wanted! I had to reassure myself that i was not going to tolerate them. I tried to warn the other guys that lived outside Toronto, unfortunately, i watched as 1 by 1 they were shut down even after 2 weeks of perfect game, some of them were furious spending so much time and money on what they thought was a for sure thing. One Aussie guy was totally emasculated and bewildered, i could see that oh so common grey face that many men wear in Toronto"what did i do?" . Near the end of the trip the "Toronto clique" had no "orbiters" left. They became bored and cyncical complaining about missing home as they watched night after night the men on our tour going in the rooms of other women. If they only heeded my warnings earlier! They were barely 7/10's.

True True story.

- a traveler that avoids Torontonians

Anonymous said...

Toronto women are amateur prostitutes. They sell themselves to the highest bidder. Buyer beware.

Anonymous said...

no new post ? I miss this blog being updated regularly !

Anonymous said...

@ anonymous aug 8 2013

i have a similar story, when i was at u of t, one summer i went to Italy for the summer abroad program. the class was five people, myself and four girls, we went to vicenza, padua, and venice. The first day of class, the girls grouped and didn't include me, they rolled their eyes on me every time i said something in the class.

but in the evenings i would go out and mingle with locals. in the fist week at vicenza i went into this cafe/bar had a beer and meet these guys and hung out with them at this cafe. the girls came to the same cafe, and sat together on other side and did talk to anyone just eachother. they saw me talking to those guys. the next day before class when they saw me i overheard them talking about me making jokes that im gay because i was talking to some local guys.

after, in the last week in venice i went to this disco and meet a woman, literally the moment i waked in the door, almost like she was just waiting for the next guy to come in so she can get him, and i guess i just was that next guy. i had an amazing time with her, and after we walked back to my hotel. in the elevator we were making out, and when i got to my floor the elevator door opened and two of the girls saw us, and they were like huh? the looks on their faces mixed disgust and jealously, the woman i was with was much hotter than those two caker girls with sweats and uggz. the next day in class i overheard them saying i was with a prostitute.

the whole time there i don't think any of them met anyone on their own, they just hung-out with each-other in their little bubble. on the airplane they were all like so relieved to be leaving Italy

Anonymous said...

You can take the cunt out of Toronto...

Shawn said...

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Anonymous said...

Toronto is a city with good men and terrible women.

Anonymous said...

>>If a girls not looking at you she's not interested. If you know anything about body language, women make eye contact with a guy to show interest<<

That might be true. But it all depends on which women. I've read many comments where the women themselves say the opposite is true.

Warren Farrell made a comment that from first meeting to sex a man has to overcome 159 levels of rejection. Given that women differ about how they show their interest, multiply a number of women by 159 and you have full blown obsession. His comments not mine.

Men are often a lot less vindictive than women are, because we are rejected constantly every day

Anonymous said...

I recently overheard women trying to one-up each other in the number of stalker/creep experiences each had every day. They really seem to get off on the attention and shitting on men.

Anonymous said...

Any culture where women regularly use words like 'stalker' or 'creepy' is one you know to avoid. Just as one where men pay to learn how to talk to women. In South America I see neither of these.

Anonymous said...

"Any culture where women regularly use words like 'stalker' or 'creepy' is one you know to avoid. Just as one where men pay to learn how to talk to women. In South America I see neither of these."

Quite accurate , There's a saying, "Two wrongs dont make a right" Unfortunately the best option is to leave.

Anonymous said...

There is something sickening about Toronto women, like the Toronto women are taught to be politically correct.

The colleges in Toronto hate men with a venegance, but these same college feminists would happily open their legs for some rich famous men or for career advancement.

Which brings to reason why so many men are having a hard time finding or keeping a stable career in Ontario since the best paying jobs are in Alberta while Ontario has more jobs for feminists.

Anonymous said...

To the guys in Toronto, become politically correct, and learn a skilled trade, then leave Ontario and head out west, or to another country. Remember what the PM said, Ontario is the last place to invest, and that includes women.

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