Tuesday, January 1, 2013

Don't Use One Extreme To Justify Another

There's been a lot of news lately about crimes done by men against women. Two recent instances stand out. The first is the massacre in Newtown, Connecticut in which a 20 year old man goes on a shooting rampage in an elementary school killing mostly girls and women, and the second is the gang rape and subsequent death of a young woman in New Delhi, India. These are horrible crimes, no question, which should be talked about publicly and addressed, with an eye towards preventing future tragedies. But unless we are also willing to talk about crimes against men, to the same degree, then we are at best a selectively sympathetic society. It reminds me of how people will vehemently speak out against pet abuse, but turn a blind eye to the factory farm abuse of animals which happens on a much larger scale. Humans can be really compassionate and all, just not in a consistent sense. We want our meat, our eggs, our dairy products at an affordable price, and for all the naysayers, well, we're at the top of the food chain, so there. Animals eat each other in the wild all the time, so there. But the truth is that there is a big difference between raising a living creature in inhumane conditions and an animal living in the wild which becomes food for another animal who is trying to survive. But if someone hurts Fido, watch out! Okay, I'll stop there. I won't go more into this since it's a whole other issue, and I just wanted to point out examples of how people twist their reasoning to serve their personal agendas, and the agenda I want to address in this post is the one where, in this part of the world, female suffering is acknowledged and addressed in full view, but male suffering is not as important.

I have to wonder how many of the civilians that were killed so far in Syria are male, and yet we only ever hear about the number of fatalities as a total. Whenever you only hear about the total you can bet that most of the fatalities are male. Apparently, gender breakdown of fatalities doesn't matter unless the majority happens to be female. I get it, I know how that works. It's called selective journalism. Cover the issues that matter. The key word is "matter", and the fact of the matter is that females matter more.

When crimes against women are reported more, and the crimes against men are reported less, you have a bias at work, and this bias can make it seem like only (or mostly) women are at a disadvantage, and in a political sense this becomes ammunition for helping keep alive the gender bias in favor of women, back home. In the minds of some, the fact that some women in other parts of the world have it bad means that women here should have it good, and if it's at the expense of men, even better. The flaw here is that you're using the legitimate victim status of others as a tool of leverage to gain more privileges for yourself here, and also to stomp on the counterpart in this part of the world. In the minds of some: "You can deal with asshole men in other parts of the world by punching men here in the face. Men are assholes after all." Be very careful of this kind of extreme, guilt by association type of thinking.

When the mainstream news covers injustices against women, by men, in other parts of the world, but doesn't cover injustices against men, by women, in this part of the world, we have clear institutional bias at work.

Similarly, because the people at the very top of the social-economic pyramid are mostly men you can conclude that men have it better than women overall. As a result, even that poor homeless man begging for spare change will garner less sympathy than a woman in his place just because he happens to share an XY chromosome with most of the Forbes 400. This is called guilt by association and any guy who has tried to meet women in clubs will know exactly what I'm talking about. You're a man, in a club. Verdict: Guilty.

Black and white thinking, guilt by association, and using one extreme to justify another must be seriously guarded against, even for us, the MRAs. We must strive for balance and work towards bringing the pendulum towards center, and not just another extreme, otherwise we're just as bad.

15 comments:

pinetree said...

You hit the nail on the head. This is one of your top 10 best posts I think and a good way to start the new year. We know how feminized the media is. You can no longer get gender neutral news stories. In the India gang rape, a man was also beaten unconcious. It still has to be proven that there in fact was rape -- it may have been a issue of gang violence and lawlessness. But the feminist media has already made their verdict and was incredibly effective in mobolizing a large protest and movement - which serves their agenda. This includes the Toronto Star - one of the most feminized newspapers in the world. So now we have to search different blogs like this one to get a more unbiased and accurate reporting of news events.

John said...

Here's a good example of what I'm talking about where one extreme is used to justify another:

http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=87815

The blog of this woman:

http://femitheistreborn.blogspot.de

This woman thinks that to prevent extreme testosterone fueled violent male behaviour, men should be castrated. According to her, this should be done to protect others and even us! The comments in response to this are not kind.

These links were submitted by the German fellow who recently submitted blog posts in which he tells his story.

Anonymous said...

I think this blog post itself is warped. How do you compare male casualties in warfare to rape of women in India? I'll tell you how these two situations differ. The male and female civilians killed were not targeted, they were unfortunate casualties of a war with larger political goals. The women who were raped in India were targeted because there are specific gender related issues entrenched within the Indian culture that position women in a disadvantaged place within their society - institutionalized discrimination and inequality of treatment. From what I've read in the papers, one of these women was driven to suicide because when she filed the rape claim, the police officers tried to persuade her to drop the charges and marry the man who raped her. Journalists are merely illuminating this situation as a feminist issue because IT IS A GENDER ISSUE. Men would not be treated this way because they are not in a position to be raped. It's highly unlikely. Your post is absolutely offensive IMO.

John said...

Actually the civilians killed in Syria were often also targeted to be executed, not because they're men, but because they're rebels against the regime. Isn't that also a horrible crime, equivalent or worse than rape? And why not ask the question, why is the vast majority of those killed in Syria men, never asked? If it was mostly women it would make front page news. In fact it would probably become a gender issue then, in addition to a war crimes issue.

I'm merely illuminating that crimes of equal magnitude against men and woman are not illuminated equally by the media. You can argue that there are little or no crimes against men, as a gender related issue, because it's hardly in the news. But that's the point I'm making. It's not talked about much because men are seen as less important than women and when bad things happen to them, either incidentally or because they're men, it's not talked about as much. How many men's shelters are in the city? Men are half the victims of domestic violence - women can do quite a bit of damage with knives and blunt objects as it turns out. And how come when a man gets his penis cut off it doesn't become a gender issue, and instead it becomes the stuff of fodder for jokes on television? And when that happens why doesn't it then become a gender issue where people talk about why such a thing is seen by many as comical?

If there can be bias against women in different parts of the world (definitely not here) then why can't there also be bias against men in other parts of the world. The pendulum can easily swing both ways and it's a habit of narrow minded fools to refuse to see that possibility.

I refuse to walk on eggshells to make this post as "unoffensive" as possible, since people who have agendas will always find a way to attack, and that was most recently proven by the vile protests against Warren Farrell, who is the most fair speaking and gentle champion of men's rights. I think I'm clear in my position but no matter how clear anyone is, there is always a strawman argument to be made which can twist what was said.

pinetree said...

That girl femitheist you mention faked her own suicide -- playing on the emotions of others to support her. She is very radical -- and dangerous.

http://www.departedngone.com/listing.php?lid=2642

Anonymous said...

get out of toronto, that city is doomed.

Anonymous said...

I just wrote am email to Shoppers Drug mart complaining about their home page which has a section that looks like this:

http://www1.shoppersdrugmart.ca/en/Home.aspx

Baby • WOMEN • Mobile • Gift Cards • All Offers

I told them having no men's section is sexist, and capitalizing the WOMEN makes it look like they are the most important thing there, far more important than the others. I told them they should have a men's section also and noeither should be capitalized. I suggest all men in Canada write them and do the same thing to SDM and any other store/website doing the same thing. My next target will be the Bay, now of course an American company run by the woman with the irritating voice, who left the first few floors of items all catered to women and put all the men's clothes and accessories on the 6th and top floor of the downtown Vancouver store. I wonder who built that store?

Anonymous said...

This was the reply from Shoppers Drug Mart, written of course by a Man!

Thank you for writing to us regarding the Shoppers Drug Mart Weekend to End Women’s Cancers event and our website.



Shoppers Drug Mart is committed to the health care of all Canadians through a wide variety of pharmacy related programs such as the Diabetes Management program, seminars on various health conditions and disease states (including Cholesterol and Arthritis) as well as through philanthropic donations to various health organization and pharmacy schools. At Shoppers Drug Mart, we have a long legacy of support of everyone’s health, including men. Also, Prostate Cancer Canada has been supported by Shoppers Drug Mart for a minimum of 10 years consistently. We also offer our customers the option to donate their Shoppers Optimum points to a range of charitable organizations from the Canadian Red Cross to Big Brothers and Big Sisters of Canada.



In addition to these efforts, we have chosen to focus this particular charitable initiative on the health care of women. This is not done to exclude men but to acknowledge the role of women’s health as a cause unto itself. In the case of the Shoppers Drug Mart Weekend to End Women’s Cancers, there are a great many men participating. These are men who’s wives, mothers, daughters, girlfriends, friends, etc have been touched by cancer. Often powerless to help, many men tell us this experience helps them feel they have given back.



We certainly hope this brings further understanding to the role that shoppers Drug Mart takes in everyone’s health and we ask that should you have any additional comments or concerns, please contact the Customer Service Call Centre directly at 1-800-746-7737.

John said...

^^^ So in other words, men's causes are important, but not as important as womens.

Anonymous said...

i just wanted to bring this to your attention: today while taking the subway i noticed this huge ad that read: "been dealt a bad man? Play bad boyfriend poker. He told me I wasn't hot enough and he could date models if he wanted to." And there was a girl on the ad laughing her ass off.

What is this exactly ? Has anyone seen it ?

The words Bad man and Bad boyfriend caught my attention.

Anonymous said...

It's easy to say "bad boyfriend" or "bad man" in public because they are politically correct ideas in FemTO. Nobody dares to protest.

The majority of young women in Toronto take the stance that they are selling something of great worth and behave accordingly. Buyer beware.

bryan said...

I find all your blogs very informative. I am going through much the same process as you went through regarding PUA and trying to find a better method for interaction with women.

Can I post some of your postings on my website? You can email me at (email removed by Admin). Also if you would not mind, I wanted to pick your brain about the negatives of the PUA community in Canada as compared to the US.

John said...

^^^ Sure, you can link to my postings on your website.

I think it would be best to ask me any questions you have in the comments, and I will answer them here. This way the readers will benefit.

bryan said...

I had a buddy from Toronto that commented about the attitude of women there. He hated the attitude. Overall I find the attitude of Canadians to be superior to the attitude of American women. Having traveled quite a bit I know that it is not who you are but where you are in terms of the receptiveness of women. For example I was surprised to find more receptive women in Nebraska as opposed to places like Miami and LA.

Anonymous said...

hey guys, I think this is a great read for any of the followers of this blog, it's an article from the globe and mail that shows just how misandric our culture has become. The best part is the comment section.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/hiring-should-favour-male-minority-teachers-toronto-school-board/article8797933/