Saturday, November 24, 2012

Reader Submission From Germany Part 3

Part 2

Let's go on with some more persuasive statements.
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ST: "Ok, I get it. You do not like dating coaches and think our service is not of use and heavily overpaid. But we have glowing reviews!"

I scratched that sort of thing in my last article and will quickly sum it up.

Most of the reviews are kind of vague, although positive. They however do not show or hint on any concrete results. Guys essentially pay a lot of money, to get the good feeling, that they are finally getting concrete results, without actually doing so. It's a scam, who does not give you more, than maybe a good feeling and some short term motivation, which can furthermore addict you to coachings, to get your motivations level up again, when it finally drops.

Now, there are very few reviews, which actually show concrete results.

They could be self written, by the coach, to scam people into believing, that his method works and I bet, some are.

But let's assume, those reviews are correct. Those are real students, who have achieved results. One question is, how accurate they are, because males tend to exaggerate numbers and beauty. They also reinterpret situations sometimes.

For example a male says he has sex, but only had a hot makeout.

Well, so the coaching really helps people to get sex? No. It mostly does not.

I could give you now many points, which are crucial to sexual success and are, of course, not mentioned in the reviews.

Let's sum it up like this. A success review, written by a brad pitt type of guy, who also did 20+ approaches nearly everyday for the last month and is a very social experienced fellow, does NOT give any credibility to the method.

Any decent looking, social experienced guy can get laid, if he works very hard and motivated for it.
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ST: "Okay. But this brad pitt like guy, lost his girlfriend 3 month/years ago and only had sporadically sex, although he approached. After my glorious coaching, he had much more sex in a shorter amount of time."

Yes. Its important for the coach to be able to motivate people. He makes his students feel good/motivated and than tells them to approach a fucking lot of women.

And let me tell you. It is EASY to motivate people, by pumping them up a bit (pushing comfort zones or stories of successes), and then tell them, to go out and approach women in this pumped up state. They will get good reactions, which further pumps them up more.

I know that, because I also did it to some guys in the little lair, I was active. For no money, because it is EASY and not hard to do. And the results were sometimes better, than usual.

The decent looking ones, with more social experience (only a very few of them are into PU, because they lost their girlfriend or want to lay more. They move on pretty quick. The douches, however, turn into coaches.), normally got numbers and sometimes dates. And in rare cases sex, which equals results.

The big amount of inexperienced guys, got some flaky numbers, but not more. It was a big success for them, because they never got so much numbers in one day and they felt very good afterwards. But these are not results. It's only feeling good. And it's short term.

Our Brad pitt guy, already had sporadic sex, although he was not motivated. Now he is motivated, approaches a lot more, does all the work. Of course, he gets more pussy.

Does he use the coach's material? Maybe a little bit of it, but he does not need too. He has already social experience and probably has his own stuff to tell.

The value of the coaches burns down, to giving motivation and encouraging students to approach a lot. It's EASY to do, everyone can do that and you should charge exactly nothing for it.
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ST: "You said yourself, that there is some material, which is useful. I use only that important material, so I am a good coach!"

Then why do you charge so much money for the little bag of useful, basic directions? You can convey them all in 30 minutes, up to an hour.

Chances are high, that you take some useful stuff, which can be explained in 2 minutes, and stretch that over 30 minutes with ideology, motivation speech and filler material. That would be the sophisticated way to go.

Let's do math. I assume, that you can stretch 1 minute of useful advise into 15 minutes. So 60 x 15 = 900. 900/60 = 15 hours.

So you have 15 hours of material, which bases on the useful advises. More than enough for a weekend bootcamp. You eventually want to shrink it down.

And do not forget the big time infield, which is actually more easier for you, because your students approach. You jump in from time to time and give some advises, based on the PU theory and your experiences.

It's often highly uncertain, if the advise would change anything, when you would replay the same situation with your student, using the advise, again.

You sometimes have to approach sets yourself, to demonstrate your "skill". When you are one of the better coaches (still horrible though) you will not have a big problem with that. You are socially experienced and well groomed. Of course, you will get rejected sometimes, but it's a numbers game anyways. After some misses, you will find a girl, which does not outright reject you. So you make her laugh and your students think, you have "skills".
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Summary

You give a lot of money.

A coach gives you short term motivation, which in very rare cases results in sex. If it does, it was mostly you and the motivation is a small part, which only lets you approach more.

A coach maybe gives you some decent information, but also adds always a lot of filler material and poison ideology, which places women on a pedestal and incorporates the "man has to do all the work" - thought. Not worth it.

A coach gives you advises infield. When you are inexperienced and do an obvious mistake (like never holding eye contact, no smile), he will of course correct it. But it's no secret knowledge. You will find it in the internet, just be careful where you look and do not fall for filler material or ideology.

You can ask your friends, your father/grandfather/uncle or on this blog. No need to pay 1000 euros.

Other advises, such as "Why did you not tell a joke? She was bored and therefore rejected you. Be funnier." are highly uncertain (many possible reasons, for rejection to happen) and are full of bad ideology (putting women on pedestal, man does all the work).

A coach tries to upsell you his shit, trying to play on your fears like good ol' mystery, david d and most of the others are doing.

You may get addicted to the good feeling or the personality of the coach, if he appears to be especially sincere and nice. So you possibly spend even more money on useless crap.

You get even more addicted to women's attention and/or sex, willing to do even more for it. If you cannot get it, you get depressed and feel lost. Coaching time again, back to the drug dealer.
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Do not go to coaches...EVER! Think critical, especially when you have motivation problems approaching women. And always remember, that every man with some spare cash can have sex with a hot prostitute. If you do not have the money, jerk off to free porn on the internet.

Greetings from germany

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

>>A success review, written by a brad pitt type of guy, who also did 20+ approaches nearly everyday for the last month and is a very social experienced fellow, does NOT give any credibility to the method<<

While that is true, the reason Brad Pitt is famous is not for his looks, it's is looks only in ADDITION to success as a perfomer. Warren Farrell calls this the Alan Alda syndrome.

"Alan Alda is loved not because he's sensitive, but because he's successful and sensitive."

I see hundreds of men who are just as good looking, if not better than Brad Pitt, who may be garbage collectors.

"When women's consciousness was raised, women ended up seeing housework as their "shit work"; when men's consciousness is raised, risking sexual rejection will be seen as the male "shit work"." (Warren Farrell)

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Warren_Farrell

The German said...

"While that is true, the reason Brad Pitt is famous is not for his looks, it's is looks only in ADDITION to success as a perfomer. Warren Farrell calls this the Alan Alda syndrome.

"Alan Alda is loved not because he's sensitive, but because he's successful and sensitive."

I see hundreds of men who are just as good looking, if not better than Brad Pitt, who may be garbage collectors.

"When women's consciousness was raised, women ended up seeing housework as their "shit work"; when men's consciousness is raised, risking sexual rejection will be seen as the male "shit work"." (Warren Farrell)

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Warren_Farrell "

Its true what you say. I assume that we will need some time, till the general consciousness is raised. But we are on a good way.

To use Brad pitt was maybe a bad metaphor, because it incorporates also the value of fame. My intention was to state, that guys who are good looking, do ALOT of work and are social experienced get laid more often, than a guy who is not good looking.

You also touch the point of the quality of the girls. And yeah, i observed that also. Its not always true of course, but i saw many good looking men with unattractive/mediocre girls. Even as long term relationships, because they usually have the better character over her more beautiful sisters.
But i nearly never saw a good looking girl with an ugly men. Older yeah, because of the money. But still, well groomed.

I ordered farrells book "Myth of Male Power" on amazon and iam really excited to read it. Only heard good things about him.

Greetings

Anonymous said...

Read why men are the way they are. It's Warren Farrell's best book.